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Mauretto · 10 Gennaio 2015

Matteo RS ha scritto:

Ben fatto, un antivirus d'altronde non guasta mai.
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SniperBMW ha scritto:

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Ale ti sta prendendo in giro /emoticons/biggrin@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20">

Con mac fino ad ora un antivirus e' superfluo /emoticons/wink@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20">

SniperBMW · 10 Gennaio 2015

Mauretto ha scritto:

Ale ti sta prendendo in giro /emoticons/biggrin@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20">
Con mac fino ad ora un antivirus e' superfluo /emoticons/wink@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20">
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Allora lo devo bannare...

Mauretto · 10 Gennaio 2015

SniperBMW ha scritto:

Allora lo devo bannare...

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Concordo /emoticons/biggrin@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20">

SniperBMW · 10 Gennaio 2015

Mauretto ha scritto:

Concordo /emoticons/biggrin@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20">
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bluemarine · 10 Gennaio 2015

SniperBMW ha scritto:

Appena installato Sophos: la sicurezza non è mai troppa. Essendo gratuito ed avendomelo consigliato in più di uno, ho provveduto: sicuramente non guasta /emoticons/wink@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20">

Oltre che abituato, lo conosco molto bene Excell.... Da quello che mi dici allora sarò costretto a prendere Office...

Grazie per le dritte! /emoticons/wink@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20"> /emoticons/biggrin@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20">
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Matteo RS ha scritto:

Ben fatto, un antivirus d'altronde non guasta mai.
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Mauretto ha scritto:

Ale ti sta prendendo in giro /emoticons/biggrin@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20">
Con mac fino ad ora un antivirus e' superfluo /emoticons/wink@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20">
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Vedo pareri contrastanti...

Anche io uso Mac ormai da 7 anni e non ho mai avuto problemi con i virus. Tuttavia.... sono del parere che la prudenza non sia mai troppa.

Ci può essere anche la "prima volta". Io ho installato Avast, gratuito, leggero, etc ma non tanto per paura dei virus in sè ma anche perchè mi segnala altre cose. Ad esempio se un sito è infetto o "infettante" o meno. E' ovvio che al 99,9% dei casi i virus o malware in esso contenuti riguardino Windows.. ma preferisco evitare.

Cosa utilissima e a mio avviso irrinunciabile è un aggeggio tipo questo che adottai dietro consiglio di [MENTION=17830]Scrondo[/MENTION].

Costa poco, funziona benissimo e rende praticamente invisibile il computer ( o la LAN) ai vari spoofers che annusano la rete.

E' diverso dal firewall integrato, è un "rubinetto" che decide cosa deve entrare e cosa no.

Ovviamente è un device adatto ai nostri scopi "home", non siamo una banca dove i protocolli di sicurezza son ben altri.

*Alberto* · 10 Gennaio 2015

bluemarine ha scritto:

Vedo pareri contrastanti...Anche io uso Mac ormai da 7 anni e non ho mai avuto problemi con i virus. Tuttavia.... sono del parere che la prudenza non sia mai troppa.

Ci può essere anche la "prima volta". Io ho installato Avast, gratuito, leggero, etc ma non tanto per paura dei virus in sè ma anche perchè mi segnala altre cose. Ad esempio se un sito è infetto o "infettante" o meno. E' ovvio che al 99,9% dei casi i virus o malware in esso contenuti riguardino Windows.. ma preferisco evitare.

Cosa utilissima e a mio avviso irrinunciabile è un aggeggio tipo questo che adottai dietro consiglio di @Scrondo.

Costa poco, funziona benissimo e rende praticamente invisibile il computer ( o la LAN) ai vari spoofers che annusano la rete.

E' diverso dal firewall integrato, è un "rubinetto" che decide cosa deve entrare e cosa no.

Ovviamente è un device adatto ai nostri scopi "home", non siamo una banca dove i protocolli di sicurezza son ben altri.
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se cerco su siti dove c'è qualche problema safari me lo dice e ovviamente annullo

io, invece, ho preso 2 di questi...non tanto per paura di virus ma per aver meno cose wi-fi e poi non costano molto, velocità ottima e problemi 0...:wink:

http://www.tp-link.it/products/details/?model=TL-SG3210

Mauretto · 10 Gennaio 2015

bluemarine ha scritto:

Vedo pareri contrastanti...Anche io uso Mac ormai da 7 anni e non ho mai avuto problemi con i virus. Tuttavia.... sono del parere che la prudenza non sia mai troppa.

Ci può essere anche la "prima volta". Io ho installato Avast, gratuito, leggero, etc ma non tanto per paura dei virus in sè ma anche perchè mi segnala altre cose. Ad esempio se un sito è infetto o "infettante" o meno. E' ovvio che al 99,9% dei casi i virus o malware in esso contenuti riguardino Windows.. ma preferisco evitare.

Cosa utilissima e a mio avviso irrinunciabile è un aggeggio tipo questo che adottai dietro consiglio di @Scrondo.

Costa poco, funziona benissimo e rende praticamente invisibile il computer ( o la LAN) ai vari spoofers che annusano la rete.

E' diverso dal firewall integrato, è un "rubinetto" che decide cosa deve entrare e cosa no.

Ovviamente è un device adatto ai nostri scopi "home", non siamo una banca dove i protocolli di sicurezza son ben altri.
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Non sono parere contrastanti /emoticons/biggrin@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20">....e' della mia stessa idea /emoticons/wink@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20">

Io ad ora mai avuto problemi per virus o altri...e poi ci sono "accorgimenti" per adottare nel mondo OSX /emoticons/wink@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20"> ( sicuramente e' anche meno "esposto" a virus)

comunque la prudenza non e' mai troppa e fatto bene /emoticons/wink@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20"> ( tra l'altro se non sbaglio quei servizi sono già nel router...esempio nel menu avanzato di Alice gate e anche nel menu standard /emoticons/wink@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20">)

Gabo · 10 Gennaio 2015

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booooo ma dove li prendete sti virus o spy col Mac?

basta lasciare settata la sicurezza delle app in download su default (solo apple store e utenze certificate)

ovvio che levando quel "porto" il Mac fa entrare tutto e bisogna stare più accorti

ma per nsvigare con Safari non ho mai preso mezzo spyware booooo

se elencate i rischi invece che tenerli per voi magari capisco

oracolo che dice?

Matteo RS · 10 Gennaio 2015

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Per quanto mi riguarda non credo d'aver mai preso virus. Li tengo giusto per precauzione visto che non si sa mai.

Ma oltretutto, in che modo si manifesterebbero nel caso si prendessero anche con Mac ?

Cioè, bloccano app o altro e si fanno vedere oppure rimangono in un angolino del Mac ?

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Mauretto · 10 Gennaio 2015

Vi riporto un messaggio dal forum Apple:

OS X already includes everything it needs to protect itself from viruses and malware. Keep it that way with software updates from Apple.
A much better question is "how should I protect my Mac":

Never install any product that claims to "clean up", "speed up", "optimize", "boost" or "accelerate" your Mac; to "wash" it, "tune" it, or to make it "shiny". Those claims are absurd.

Such products are very aggressively marketed. They are all scams.

[*]Never install pirated or "cracked" software, software obtained from dubious websites, or other questionable sources.

Illegally obtained software is almost certain to contain malware.

"Questionable sources" include but are not limited to spontaneously appearing web pages or popups, download hosting sites such as C net dot com, Softonic dot com, Soft pedia dot com, Download dot com, Mac Update dot com, or any other site whose revenue is primarily derived from junk product advertisements.

If you need to install software that isn't available from the Mac App Store, obtain it only from legitimate sources authorized by the software's developer.

[*]Don’t supply your password in response to a popup window requesting it, unless you know what it is and the reason your credentials are required.

[*]Don’t open email attachments from email addresses that you do not recognize, or click links contained in an email:

Most of these are scams that direct you to fraudulent sites that attempt to convince you to disclose personal information.

Such "phishing" attempts are the 21st century equivalent of a social exploit that has existed since the dawn of civilization. Don’t fall for it.

Apple will never ask you to reveal personal information in an email. If you receive an unexpected email from Apple saying your account will be closed unless you take immediate action, just ignore it. If your iCloud, iTunes, or App Store account becomes disabled for valid reasons, you will know when you try to buy something or log in to this support site, and are unable to.

[*]Don’t install browser extensions unless you understand their purpose. Go to the Safari menu > Preferences > Extensions. If you see any extensions that you do not recognize or understand, simply click the Uninstall button and they will be gone.

[*]Don’t install Java unless you are certain that you need it:

Java, a non-Apple product, is a potential vector for malware. If you are required to use Java, be mindful of that possibility.

Java can be disabled in System Preferences.

Despite its name JavaScript is unrelated to Java. No malware can infect your Mac through JavaScript. It’s OK to leave it enabled.

[*]Beware spontaneous popups: Safari menu > Preferences > Security > check "Block popup windows".

Popup windows are useful and required for some websites, but unsolicited popups are commonly used to deceive people into installing unwanted software they would never intentionally install.

Popups themselves cannot infect your Mac, but many contain resource-hungry code that will slow down Internet browsing.

If you ever receive a popup window indicating that your Mac is infected with some ick or that you won some prize, it is 100% fraudulent. Ignore it.

The same goes for a spontaneously appearing dialog insisting that you upgrade your video player right this instant. Such popups are frequently associated with sites that promise to deliver "free" movies or other copyrighted content that is not normally "free".

The more insistent it is that you upgrade or install something, the more likely it is to be a scam. Close the window or tab and forget it.

[*]Ignore hyperventilating popular media outlets that thrive by promoting fear and discord with entertainment products arrogantly presented as "news". Learn what real threats actually exist and how to arm yourself against them:

The most serious threat to your data security is phishing. Most of these attempts are pathetic and are easily recognized, but that hasn't stopped prominent public figures from recently succumbing to this age-old scam.

OS X viruses do not exist, but intentionally malicious or poorly written code, created by either nefarious or inept individuals, is nothing new.

Never install something without first knowing what it is, what it does, how it works, and how to get rid of it when you don’t want it any more.

If you elect to use "anti-virus" software, familiarize yourself with its limitations and potential to cause adverse effects, and apply the principle immediately preceding this one.

Most such utilities will only slow down and destabilize your Mac while they look for viruses that do not exist, conveying no benefit whatsoever - other than to make you "feel good" about security, when you should actually be exercising sound judgment, derived from accurate knowledge, based on verifiable facts.

[*]Do install updates from Apple as they become available. No one knows more about Macs and how to protect them than the company that builds them.

Summary: Use common sense and caution when you use your Mac, just like you would in any social context. There is no product, utility, or magic talisman that can protect you from all the evils of mankind.

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Gatekeeper, to stop unathorised apps from launching.FireWall, to stop unauthorised incoming network activity.OS X also has a Blacklist of known malware, which is updated regularly.

The greatest security comes from exercising common sense, not downloading anything of dubious provenance, and thinking before you enter your admin password to authorise stuff.
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Mauretto · 10 Gennaio 2015

Comunque io ad oggi dopo quasi 8 anni di Mac mai avuto problemi di virus....certo,...mai dire mai ma fino ad ora ...

Mauretto · 10 Gennaio 2015

Un VERO oracolo del forum Apple ha scritto :

Mac users often ask whether they should install "anti-virus" software. The answer usually given on ASC is "no." The answer is right, but it may give the wrong impression that there is no threat from what are loosely called "viruses." There is a threat, and you need to educate yourself about it.1. This is a comment on what you should—and should not—do to protect yourself from malicious software ("malware") that circulates on the Internet and gets onto a computer as an unintended consequence of the user's actions. It does not apply to software, such as keystroke loggers, that may be installed deliberately by an intruder who has hands-on access to the computer, or who has been able to log in to it remotely. That threat is in a different category, and there's no easy way to defend against it.
The comment is long because the issue is complex. The key points are in sections 5, 6, and 10.

OS X now implements three layers of built-in protection specifically against malware, not counting runtime protections such as execute disable, sandboxing, system library randomization, and address space layout randomization that may also guard against other kinds of exploits.

2. All versions of OS X since 10.6.7 have been able to detect known Mac malware in downloaded files, and to block insecure web plugins. This feature is transparent to the user. Internally Apple calls it "XProtect."

The malware recognition database used by XProtect is automatically updated; however, you shouldn't rely on it, because the attackers are always at least a day ahead of the defenders.

The following caveats apply to XProtect:

☞ It can be bypassed by some third-party networking software, such as BitTorrent clients and Java applets.

☞ It only applies to software downloaded from the network. Software installed from a CD or other media is not checked.

As new versions of OS X are released, it's not clear whether Apple will indefinitely continue to maintain the XProtect database of older versions such as 10.6. The security of obsolete system versions may eventually be degraded. Security updates to the code of obsolete systems will stop being released at some point, and that may leave them open to other kinds of attack besides malware.

3. Starting with OS X 10.7.5, there has been a second layer of built-in malware protection, designated "Gatekeeper" by Apple. By default, applications and Installer packages downloaded from the network will only run if they're digitally signed by a developer with a certificate issued by Apple. Software certified in this way hasn't necessarily been tested by Apple, but you can be reasonably sure that it hasn't been modified by anyone other than the developer. His identity is known to Apple, so he could be held legally responsible if he distributed malware. That may not mean much if the developer lives in a country with a weak legal system (see below.)

Gatekeeper doesn't depend on a database of known malware. It has, however, the same limitations as XProtect, and in addition the following:

☞ It can easily be disabled or overridden by the user.

☞ A malware attacker could get control of a code-signing certificate under false pretenses, or could simply ignore the consequences of distributing codesigned malware.

☞ An App Store developer could find a way to bypass Apple's oversight, or the oversight could fail due to human error.

Apple has so far failed to revoke the codesigning certificates of some known abusers, thereby diluting the value of Gatekeeper and the Developer ID program. These failures don't involve App Store products, however.

For the reasons given, App Store products, and—to a lesser extent—other applications recognized by Gatekeeper as signed, are safer than others, but they can't be considered absolutely safe. "Sandboxed" applications may prompt for access to private data, such as your contacts, or for access to the network. Think before granting that access. Sandbox security is based on user input. Never click through any request for authorization without thinking.

4. Starting with OS X 10.8.3, a third layer of protection has been added: a "Malware Removal Tool" (MRT). MRT runs automatically in the background when you update the OS. It checks for, and removes, malware that may have evaded the other protections via a Java exploit (see below.) MRT also runs when you install or update the Apple-supplied Java runtime (but not the Oracle runtime.) Like XProtect, MRT is effective against known threats, but not against unknown ones. It notifies you if it finds malware, but otherwise there's no user interface to MRT.

5. The built-in security features of OS X reduce the risk of malware attack, but they are not, and never will be, complete protection. Malware is foremost a problem of human behavior, and no technological fix alone is going to solve it. Trusting software to protect you will only make you more vulnerable.

The best defense is always going to be your own intelligence. With the possible exception of Java exploits, all known malware circulating on the Internet that affects a fully-updated installation of OS X 10.6 or later takes the form of so-called "Trojan horses," which can only have an effect if the victim is duped into running them. The threat therefore amounts to a battle of wits between you and Internet criminals. If you're better informed than they think you are, you'll win. That means, in practice, that you always stay within a safe harbor of computing practices. How do you know when you're leaving the safe harbor? Below are some warning signs of danger.

Software from an untrustworthy source

☞ Software of any kind is distributed via BitTorrent, or Usenet, or on a website that also distributes pirated music or movies.

☞ Software with a corporate brand, such as Adobe Flash Player, doesn't come directly from the developer’s website. Do not trust an alert from any website to update Flash, or your browser, or any other software.

☞ Rogue websites such as Softonic, Soft32, and CNET Download distribute free applications that have been packaged in a superfluous "installer."

☞ The software is advertised by means of spam or intrusive web ads. Any ad, on any site, that includes a direct link to a download should be ignored.

Software that is plainly illegal or does something illegal

☞ High-priced commercial software such as Photoshop is "cracked" or "free."

☞ An application helps you to infringe copyright, for instance by circumventing the copy protection on commercial software, or saving streamed media for reuse without permission. All "YouTube downloaders" are in this category, though not all are necessarily malicious.

Conditional or unsolicited offers from strangers

☞ A telephone caller or a web page tells you that you have a “virus” and offers to help you remove it. (Some reputable websites did legitimately warn visitors who were infected with the "DNSChanger" malware. That exception to this rule no longer applies.)

☞ A web site offers free content such as video or music, but to use it you must install a “codec,” “plug-in,” "player," "downloader," "extractor," or “certificate” that comes from that same site, or an unknown one.

☞ You win a prize in a contest you never entered.

☞ Someone on a message board such as this one is eager to help you, but only if you download an application of his choosing.

☞ A "FREE WI-FI !!!" network advertises itself in a public place such as an airport, but is not provided by the management.

☞ Anything online that you would expect to pay for is "free."

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Mauretto · 10 Gennaio 2015

E ancora :

Unexpected events☞ A file is downloaded automatically when you visit a web page, with no other action on your part. Delete any such file without opening it.☞ You open what you think is a document and get an alert that it's "an application downloaded from the Internet." Click Cancel and delete the file. Even if you don't get the alert, you should still delete any file that isn't what you expected it to be.

☞ An application does something you don't expect, such as asking for permission to access your contacts, your location, or the Internet for no obvious reason.

☞ Software is attached to email that you didn't request, even if it comes (or seems to come) from someone you trust.

I don't say that leaving the safe harbor just once will necessarily result in disaster, but making a habit of it will weaken your defenses against malware attack. Any of the above scenarios should, at the very least, make you uncomfortable.

6. Java on the Web (not to be confused with JavaScript, to which it's not related, despite the similarity of the names) is a weak point in the security of any system. Java is, among other things, a platform for running complex applications in a web page, on the client. That was always a bad idea, and Java's developers have proven themselves incapable of implementing it without also creating a portal for malware to enter. Past Java exploits are the closest thing there has ever been to a Windows-style virus affecting OS X. Merely loading a page with malicious Java content could be harmful.

Fortunately, client-side Java on the Web is obsolete and mostly extinct. Only a few outmoded sites still use it. Try to hasten the process of extinction by avoiding those sites, if you have a choice. Forget about playing games or other non-essential uses of Java.

Java is not included in OS X 10.7 and later. Discrete Java installers are distributed by Apple and by Oracle (the developer of Java.) Don't use either one unless you need it. Most people don't. If Java is installed, disable it—not JavaScript—in your browsers.

Regardless of version, experience has shown that Java on the Web can't be trusted. If you must use a Java applet for a task on a specific site, enable Java only for that site in Safari. Never enable Java for a public website that carries third-party advertising. Use it only on well-known, login-protected, secure websites without ads. In Safari 6 or later, you'll see a lock icon in the left side of the address bar when visiting a secure site.

Stay within the safe harbor, and you’ll be as safe from malware as you can practically be. The rest of this comment concerns what you should not do to protect yourself.

7. Never install any commercial "anti-virus" (AV) or "Internet security" products for the Mac, as they are all worse than useless. If you need to be able to detect Windows malware in your files, use one of the free security apps in the Mac App Store—nothing else.

Why shouldn't you use commercial AV products?

☞ To recognize malware, the software depends on a database of known threats, which is always at least a day out of date. This technique is a proven failure, as a major AV software vendor has admitted. Most attacks are "zero-day"—that is, previously unknown. Recognition-based AV does not defend against such attacks, and the enterprise IT industry is coming to the realization that traditional AV software is worthless.

☞ Its design is predicated on the nonexistent threat that malware may be injected at any time, anywhere in the file system. Malware is downloaded from the network; it doesn't materialize from nowhere. In order to meet that nonexistent threat, commercial AV software modifies or duplicates low-level functions of the operating system, which is a waste of resources and a common cause of instability, bugs, and poor performance.

☞ By modifying the operating system, the software may also create weaknesses that could be exploited by malware attackers.

☞ Most importantly, a false sense of security is dangerous.

8. An AV product from the App Store, such as "ClamXav," has the same drawback as the commercial suites of being always out of date, but it does not inject low-level code into the operating system. That doesn't mean it's entirely harmless. It may report email messages that have "phishing" links in the body, or Windows malware in attachments, as infected files, and offer to delete or move them. Doing so will corrupt the Mail database. The messages should be deleted from within the Mail application.

An AV app is not needed, and cannot be relied upon, for protection against OS X malware. It's useful, if at all, only for detecting Windows malware, and even for that use it's not really effective, because new Windows malware is emerging much faster than OS X malware.

Windows malware can't harm you directly (unless, of course, you use Windows.) Just don't pass it on to anyone else. A malicious attachment in email is usually easy to recognize by the name alone. An actual example:

London Terror Moovie.avi [124 spaces] Checked By Norton Antivirus.exeYou don't need software to tell you that's a Windows trojan. Software may be able to tell you which trojan it is, but who cares? In practice, there's no reason to use recognition software unless an organizational policy requires it. Windows malware is so widespread that you should assume it's in every email attachment until proven otherwise. Nevertheless, ClamXav or a similar product from the App Store may serve a purpose if it satisfies an ill-informed network administrator who says you must run some kind of AV application. It's free and it won't handicap the system.

The ClamXav developer won't try to "upsell" you to a paid version of the product. Other developers may do that. Don't be upsold. For one thing, you should not pay to protect Windows users from the consequences of their choice of computing platform. For another, a paid upgrade from a free app will probably have all the disadvantages mentioned in section 7.

9. It seems to be a common belief that the built-in Application Firewall acts as a barrier to infection, or prevents malware from functioning. It does neither. It blocks inbound connections to certain network services you're running, such as file sharing. It's disabled by default and you should leave it that way if you're behind a router on a private home or office network. Activate it only when you're on an untrusted network, for instance a public Wi-Fi hotspot, where you don't want to provide services. Disable any services you don't use in the Sharing preference pane. All are disabled by default.

10. As a Mac user, you don't have to live in fear that your computer may be infected every time you install software, read email, or visit a web page. But neither can you assume that you will always be safe from exploitation, no matter what you do. Navigating the Internet is like walking the streets of a big city. It's as safe or as dangerous as you choose to make it. The greatest harm done by security software is precisely its selling point: it makes people feel safe. They may then feel safe enough to take risks from which the software doesn't protect them. Nothing can lessen the need for safe computing practices.
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Gabo · 11 Gennaio 2015

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riassunto in italiano grazie

SniperBMW · 11 Gennaio 2015

Gabo ha scritto:

riassunto in italiano grazie
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Infinity · 11 Gennaio 2015

Anche io uso soffocotto sul mio macbook /emoticons/biggrin@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20">

bluemarine · 11 Gennaio 2015

Gabo ha scritto:

riassunto in italiano grazie
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Che gli antivirus su mac sono superflui ma dobbiamo stare "accorti" e non fare fesserie !

Io ad esempio ho attivato anche il firewall interno e uso un account utente che non ha i privilegi di amministratore.

SniperBMW ha scritto:

Grazie a tutti per le preziose informazioni! /emoticons/wink@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20">
Comprerò sicuramente Office (era già previsto) anche perché mi occorre per lavoro e per avere assoluta compatibilità con tutti i documenti fatti in mille mila anni.

Così risolvo anche il discorso archivio mail e il non gradimento dell'attuale Mail dell'iOs.
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Office è insostituibile. Anche se da anni uso Mac non mi sono mai trovato appieno con i vari Pages, Numbers, mentre mia figlia ai tempi del liceo si trovò benissimo con Keynote per le sue presentazioni scolastiche.

Uso ancora Office 2008 (mi sa che prima o poi mi tocca la 2011) ma non in versione Business, quindi confermo l'assenza di Outlook.

Prova a dare un occhio più approfondito a Mail, vedrei che non è male...

Per i trasferimenti dai un'occhio qua:

http://www.fotosservando.it/trasferire-le-e-mail-da-outlook-al-mac/

http://www.hostingtalk.it/come-fare-backup-email-windows-mac/

Mauretto · 11 Gennaio 2015

Keynote per le presentazioni e' insuperabile /emoticons/wink@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20">

Io ho sia Office 2011 versione completa e sia tutto il pacchetto ISX (numbers, Pages, keynote) ...

da quello che ho visto e' più che altro un "abituarsi" ad usare l'altra applicazione

Comunque ci sono anche altre valide applicazioni che si equivalgono /emoticons/wink@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20">

PS per quanto concerne il post riguardante l'Antivirus, invito a leggere e a capire /emoticons/wink@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20">

*Alberto* · 11 Gennaio 2015

Mauretto ha scritto:

Keynote per le presentazioni e' insuperabile /emoticons/wink@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20">
Io ho sia Office 2011 versione completa e sia tutto il pacchetto ISX (numbers, Pages, keynote) ...

da quello che ho visto e' più che altro un "abituarsi" ad usare l'altra applicazione

Comunque ci sono anche altre valide applicazioni che si equivalgono /emoticons/wink@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20">

PS per quanto concerne il post riguardante l'Antivirus, invito a leggere e a capire /emoticons/wink@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20">
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a novembre mi sono impuntato...voglio usare numbers e pages (keynote non mi serve anche se l'ho li)mi son detto cosi passo al 100% a mac

nulla...ho provato a fare l'impaginazione della mia fattura ma niente...i bordi erano sempre stravolti e c'ho perso quasi un'ora per fare la stessa tipologia di documento che in office c'avrò messo 15 minuti

idem per i font...mac ne ha 1/4 di quelli di office...quindi ho cercato quelli che mi servivano, scaricati e installato...ma nulla anche li...mentre office mi permette il grassetto il corsivo l'ingrandimento fino a 3000 con numbers nulla...la stessa tipologia di documento era veramente brutta con numbers

fare le varie funzioni è difficile econ i metodi semplici di excel (esempio per calcolare l'iva fatti la funzione "= e34 (numero della riga)*22%" se lo faccio con numbers mi dava totalmente un'altra cosa...idem per le somme...ha un metodo suo.

ho anche detto "vabbè cambio carattere e cambio tipologia di documento" niente...non riuscivo a farmi piacere nulla anche usando i loro prefatti

l'unica cosa utile è stata la nota spese, che poi ho ricopiato in excel

pages l'ho tolto per stesso problema di font di numbers

in ogni caso li ho caricati, numbers e pages sul portatile e appena riesco voglio ritentarci...

Fla92 · 11 Gennaio 2015

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